guest: i was the president of brown university. i know that private colleges have a different set of economics to deal with. a think we ask a question this way. is there a real issue of escalating costs and higher education? i believe there is. i have seen that everywhere i go. the difference between a high school degree and a college degree over a lifetime of earnings is well over a million dollars. we have to think about it from the investment side. with the community colleges, which of the front door to the american dream, their cost structures of very low. -- are very low. what we're trying to focus on in our report is, how do we maintain quality and contain costs. that is also for our colleagues in the private sector. many of them are working very hard on that. in this economic tsunami we have been going through, we have been in a massive fund-raising campaign. 2008 we stopped it. we stopped and the diamonds and we're going to focus on what we call students -- it and we said we're going to focus on what we call students, stude